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hello and welcome to the show

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this is actually at a different time

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than normal this live show

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uh here we are on wednesday um and it's

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during the day one

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p.m eastern time i'm doing this show to

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accommodate

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uh my good friend over across the pond

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philip mantle

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um he's on and after him is uh dr david

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clarke that's actually on another stream

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um so if you're on youtube i'll tell you

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about that

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um at the end of this stream so uh

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philip

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mantle is on this show um for about an

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hour or so he's going to be discussing

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his

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first introducing ufos

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a young person's guide and it's written

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by him and uh illustrated by

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ronna ronald kinsella and uh he's quite

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an artist

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and uh for the for the second part of

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the show like i said is dr david

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uh clark um and

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uh over the last few decades just this

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is just my opinion here

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because uh i've noticed over the last

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there's been um and any type of public

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gathering for instance like a

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a conference or something like that

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uh there's been a huge drop in

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attendance of young people

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now there is an exception to that and

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that's uh comic cons

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uh they're heavily attended by young

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people and uh

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but i also should clarify this is uh

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pre-covered

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days so nothing to do with the virus i'm

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talking about

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you know prior to that and uh you know

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most likely after that you're gonna see

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um it's just a very low attendance of

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and involved in and uh

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i saw this in the antiques world uh

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people started talking about it several

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years ago so in 2009

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i uh started a podcast called the

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antique auction forum to kind of you

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know attract young people

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to get interested in the topic i've had

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some success

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with that um from some of the emails

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that i've gotten but

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you know i attribute a lot of

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you know young people sort of drifting

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away is just the barrage

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of information and technology

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that is at their their fingertips and

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information thrown at them and

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social media plays a big part in that it

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just takes

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so much of the average young person's

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time these are things that are important

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you know for instance someone young is

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much going to rather own and the latest

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iphone or

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ipad or whatever it is uh rather than

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a work of art or something interesting

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that uh

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you know means a lot to someone or you

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know a rare book

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for instance but anyway um philip

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is his attempt to reach the younger

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and uh sharing the ufo topic i think is

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admirable

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and uh uh that's why i'm uh talking to

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him today it's always a pleasure talking

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to him anyway

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but uh just a couple things if you

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support the show i want to thank you

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very much

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and i can't really thank you enough for

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that uh you can if you're not

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for two dollars or more a month and

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dot com patreon.com martin willis

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podcast ufo that link is

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also on our website and uh there's a one

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time a year payment

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just came out um as a new option

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for those people that don't want to have

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that monthly fee

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but anyway um i am ready to bring in our

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guest now

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uh welcome to the show philip uh good

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evening marty nice to speak to you again

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that's right it is evening for you over

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there yes nice and dark

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and damp and cold yeah

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yeah you know it was uh i'm on the coast

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of maine

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and i woke up this morning it was like

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27 degrees fahrenheit here

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and that is cold so i'm not i'm not

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ready for it

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it it seems like we're robbed of the

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year and i wanted uh summer to keep

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it's not happening anymore no no it's

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cold and cold and dampier i can assure

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you martin so

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yeah should send some of this damp

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weather over to california and help them

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yeah they could use it that's for sure

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hey um so

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i want to talk to you about the book how

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long had this been an idea of yours

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it's a good question martin i mean i've

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had the idea for

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a book um like this because it's aimed

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sort of a high school audience for some

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and uh when we went through the first

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i thought to myself well now it's the

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time to get on with it

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uh i i've done some preliminary work on

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it but i thought well

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can't go anywhere everything's closed

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it's either

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write this book or you know bury my

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my wife under the patio in the back

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garden or something like that

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but i thought well i need her to cut the

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grass anyway so i'm gonna write a book

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so i'd already got the idea to sort of

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lay out in my head

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and um and so you know you've been

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around for a long while the only thing i

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i was looking for

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uh was a an illustrator uh and i knew

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ronald and i knew

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uh you know what his work looked like

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and i i just thought

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it would be ideal he kind of fitted in

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you know exactly as i

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had imagined so i asked him and

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thankfully ronald

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kinsella said yes and so introducing

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ufos

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was born so to speak so you know so that

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it's been knocking around for a while in

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my head martin yes

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um so um did you

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you listened to the monologue obviously

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you're trapped in the back there

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do you kind of agree with what i'm

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saying you know like there's a drop

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attributed to technology and social

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yeah you can blame it on whatever you

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like but the facts remain that there is

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like you said in in in a lot of other

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and i'll give you an example i know

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you've got an old friend of mine coming

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dr david clarke yeah i remember you know

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we're not we're not that far different

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in age i remember myself and david and

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being sat at a uh a ufo conference

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and people pointing at us

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this is some years back and we were they

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there's the next generation meaning us

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and i'm looking behind me to see where

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the next generation is i can't

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i can't see them but uh i decided to

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write this book in the in the

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the hope that i might be able to assist

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them if they've got an interest

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just to point them in the right

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direction martin it's not to

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um you know tell them this is what ufos

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are or anything like that

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it is you know to just to to try and

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grab their attention and if they have

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i'm not trying to indoctrinate them in

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any in any way shape or form

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the book allows them to make up their

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which i hope would do uh if they got

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the things we've talked about is what's

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old files you know when the time comes

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we're no longer here

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because we don't we don't have a

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repository for them here in the uk

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that and you know who's who's following

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yeah next generation so i'm sure they're

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but if we can just drag their attention

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i think it's important that um

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and i forget a lot of times there's

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uh new new people that listen to this

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and that's a problem because um

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people that have been listening since

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to my show they don't want to hear the

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story again but there's a percentage of

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people that are listening for the first

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time that never heard of

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certain cases so i think this is where

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them succinct simple um

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notations of what happened in the

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sighting not in deep detail

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because you're you if you capture them

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you capture them for a short

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amount of time for a span basically i

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high school

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it's the kind of age when you start to

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get your own interests your own hobbies

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martin and um you know if somebody to

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put a huge great

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encyclopedia in front of me i would have

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just groaned

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and i'm not really in that so you know

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this book in total is just over 150

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it's not necessarily text heavy

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so there isn't lots and lots of reading

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to do that is enough

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and of course i put the salient pictures

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and photographs and

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you know documents in there and kind of

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and what i wanted to do with ronald's um

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artwork we have a unique piece of

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designer artwork to go with each chapter

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each chapter is laid out in decades

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40s 50s 60s etc and i just wanted

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a unique piece of artwork that's not

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so the artwork is based on the first

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case for each chapter just to grab their

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attention

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you said just for us a short while

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that piece of artwork hopefully then

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think oh i like that

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that's cool and it will then entice them

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to to

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book is in paperback so you give it the

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old-fashioned format if you like

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or you can download it as well it's

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there in a kindle you can have it on

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your mobile phone or

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your ipad i mean i've downloaded it i've

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no idea where where it's gone

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i have downloaded somewhere you know

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so yeah to the paper version i know

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where that one is

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it's my desk in front of me you know so

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um so that's i tried to put myself back

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when i was

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uh getting it first interested in this

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subject which was one in those high

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school years

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and about a couple of people said oh i

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wish i would have something like that

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when i was a teenager phillip because i

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bought

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valley and i didn't

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have a clue what they were talking about

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i was too young i couldn't understand

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what they were

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saying um so i'm hoping you know

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i i have um i have a copy of the book

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that's gonna go to my

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high school not that they'll remember me

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martin i'm not

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i'm i'm not a famous figure for anything

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at my high school

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but uh i thought if nothing else i'll

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make sure that it gets in one high

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school and that that'll be the one that

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i went to so

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that's that's really to go in the mail

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to them and um oh that's great

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if nothing else it will be in the school

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library who knows

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who knows but um so i'm hoping we can we

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can help the

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and like i said in the in the book we've

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taken some of the well-known cases

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light rails will like betty and barney

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hill like travis walton

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but there's others that are perhaps not

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so well known as well like the uh the

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knowles family from 1988

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in mundra billa in australia

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right the car that got picked up

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supposedly yeah yeah so that's a case

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that's fallen off the radar so i thought

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i'll put that one in

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and um also to emphasize of course

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martin that whatever the ufo phenomena

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is it is a global

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phenomena it doesn't know any boundaries

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it's not just

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in the united states or here in the uk

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it is all over the world

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and um and and in the center of the book

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i don't i don't know about you but i

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used to pick a book up

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first thing i used to do is thumb

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through it for the pictures

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yeah i used to always read the last page

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well i used to read the cover the back

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and uh but i like to so i you know i'm

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biased i like to have illustrations and

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pictures in so what i did

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i i contacted a number of colleagues in

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different parts of the world so look i'm

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putting this book together

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which ufo photographs do you think i

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should include in it

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supposedly authentic so we've got

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well-known ones like the paul trent at

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mcminnville and others

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but there's something there you probably

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will have never seen before

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but the introduction to that section

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it's called ufo photo file

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starts with the hopes it you know it's a

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hub cap i think from project blue book

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and the last word on the introduction

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says make up your own mind

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you know so what again even though we're

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showing them photographs

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that are claimed to be the genuine

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article was saying you make up your own

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mind you come to your own conclusions

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and and there's another section in there

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martin that says these

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few little tips to do if you make a ufo

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sighting

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you know you know if you've got a camera

387
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we'll use it you know if there's

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somebody else standing nearby draw their

389
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attention to it

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make sure you check the time and the

391
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date and the location so you've got all

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that information

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little things like that and then of

394
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course to round it all off i haven't

395
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said

396
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here are three theories there are more

397
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but here are three for you to consider

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extraterrestrial uh some kind of secret

399
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military vehicles

400
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or some kind of rare natural phenomena

401
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again

402
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there are more theories than that but

403
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you go away and make up your own mind

404
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yeah so you know that that's the way the

405
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whole book flows

406
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and hopefully that's great we've got

407
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something right i

408
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keep my fingers crossed you know i had

409
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uh

410
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my the ufo sighting that i had you know

411
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wasn't spectacular but it was still a

412
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ufo sighting

413
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but that was back in 2006 and i had no

414
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idea

415
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when i saw this thing what i was

416
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supposed to do

417
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and the funny thing is it never occurred

418
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to me to look online

419
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i never thought there was never know

420
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anything about a move on or whatever

421
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so i called a police department i mean

422
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so you do you kind of have that laid out

423
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too oh yeah absolutely

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report it you know report it because

425
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there may be others that have seen

426
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exactly the same thing and have also

427
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reported it

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and um whilst whilst our ministry of

429
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defense no longer deals with it our our

430
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police

431
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are duty-bound to deal with it it may

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not be the list of their priorities so

433
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you might not get a police car with its

434
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blue light flashing

435
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but they are duty bound to to take to

436
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take it seriously

437
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and um but yes to report it

438
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uh as that's why it's it's uh

439
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it's important to to to take the correct

440
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time you know just check your watch or

441
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your phone what time it was

442
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yeah location you went in and that

443
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enables you if you if need be

444
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for an investor to go back and stand in

445
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the exact same spot you were

446
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and there may be a logical explanation

447
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for it that you hadn't perhaps

448
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thought about before so because we know

449
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most ufo sightings do have an

450
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explanation

451
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so the more information yeah i mean

452
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i've spoke to so many people marching

453
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this i don't know i had a camera with me

454
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but i never thought to use it

455
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:45,680
yeah i understand that yeah yeah you

456
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know

457
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baffled by

458
00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:52,000
the incident when it happens though i

459
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mean i didn't have a

460
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i don't think i had my phone on me at

461
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,519
the time but i never thought of

462
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:59,680
anything but just staring at this thing

463
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,800
you know i mean

464
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:02,000
yeah like because i couldn't believe

465
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:04,079
what i was seeing well that's it

466
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that's it and if you know like if you

467
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stood at a bus stop and there's somebody

468
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else there

469
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and they're looking in opposite

470
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directions excuse me you know what do

471
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,799
you make of that

472
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and don't be afraid you know if they

473
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,039
ignore you well i'm fair enough

474
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uh i know we're living in different days

475
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:20,319
today but

476
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i was this was written with a you know

477
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without the culvert in it yeah

478
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so so hopefully it will it will help i'm

479
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not saying it's it's it's

480
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got everything in there but it it will

481
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hopefully you know assist the next

482
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generation that's come

483
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coming along behind us i'm sure they're

484
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there somewhere martin it's just

485
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dragging like you said dragging them

486
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away from their technology

487
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yeah um another thing i think is

488
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important i don't know if you list this

489
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in the book or not but

490
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i think it's personally i think it's

491
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very important for

492
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someone to immediately write everything

493
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down

494
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you know i mean i don't know if you had

495
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that in your book or not but i think

496
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personally drawings writing everything

497
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down like you said

498
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the time location yeah what it looked

499
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like where

500
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directions if you can you know where it

501
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was coming from or going or whatever

502
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well one of the good things about the

503
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technology today

504
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and i'm sure i've got it on my

505
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smartphone although i would not be able

506
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to find it anyway you can actually just

507
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pick it up and record a message into it

508
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that's true yeah you don't have to write

509
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down anymore he said i'm you know i'm

510
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standing here and i'm looking at x it's

511
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it's you know quarter past three in the

512
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afternoon and i've just seen this

513
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and and you've got it there for all time

514
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you can share that then with

515
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with others um you know the technology

516
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is fantastic to be able to

517
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to to assist in this uh in this fashion

518
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now

519
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so uh so true yeah i mean i used to have

520
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a

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nothing to do with you

522
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,400
ufos but it's kind of a point i was down

523
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at the boston commons

524
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uh during the summer and i look up and

525
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there's a

526
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uh one of the blimps flying over and i

527
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thought it was really cool so

528
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oh i'm gonna film this by the time i got

529
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,000
my camera you know how slow a blimp

530
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:40,400
goes you know very very slow by the time

531
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i got my camera out

532
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,880
from my phone did the password got the

533
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video up and started filming i just

534
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:48,320
caught the tail end of it going into the

535
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over the

536
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trees were hiding it i mean it really

537
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,840
uh that's that's the problem a lot of

538
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:56,000
times with ufos when it comes to picture

539
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taking

540
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yeah is that uh you know that wasn't

541
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,640
even a ufo but i mean

542
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,559
just the fact that you know by the time

543
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you get all ready

544
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,200
you know you say you have your camry

545
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,960
recorder and everything but a lot of

546
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,480
times by the time you you get it out

547
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:10,320
it's just whatever it is is already gone

548
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,840
you know maybe our generation uh

549
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,360
and i've seen my daughter with their

550
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:17,679
thumbs and they're like you know

551
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,200
they're almost on fire and uh

552
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,120
you mentioned a password i wouldn't know

553
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:24,799
how to put a password online

554
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,320
so you know and

555
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,559
i i don't know i've never taken a selfie

556
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i tried it once

557
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and it didn't work so

558
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,520
you know uh i'll just stick with the

559
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,679
normal stuff i was brought up on the old

560
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,919
35 millimeter camera oh yeah

561
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:44,159
with real film in it you know same here

562
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,280
yeah um

563
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,600
but i've seen my my two daughters

564
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,360
they're like you know

565
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,679
just they can use them as if as if if

566
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,200
it's just part of them

567
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:55,840
and even my even my my youngest

568
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:56,559
granddaughter

569
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,760
10

570
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,520
and she looks at me as if i'm from the

571
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,520
stone age when i talk about these things

572
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,710
has your has your family can and you

573
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,640
know even your grandchildren all that

574
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:12,799
um do they think it's interesting that

575
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,000
you have explored this topic for so long

576
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,320
yes certainly my two my two daughters

577
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,679
not the grandchildren they're a bit

578
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:21,440
young for it all although i think

579
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,799
i i did make a tv series this year

580
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:27,360
oh yeah it's on amazon so i'll give it a

581
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:27,840
plug

582
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,360
uh it's called um alien autopsy

583
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:34,000
the search for answers yeah so it's a

584
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:35,200
four-part

585
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,000
series all about the alien autopsy film

586
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,440
and of course

587
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:41,840
my daughter put it on the tv and there's

588
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,480
the three

589
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,240
three of the five grandchildren sat

590
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,000
there thinking

591
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,840
what's granddad doing on the television

592
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:50,000
you know they couldn't really understand

593
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,559
it

594
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,679
and thinking is this real

595
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,400
you know but yeah granddad was on the

596
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:58,080
television so they just thought that was

597
00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:58,960
amazing

598
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,799
you know and um but my my up my two

599
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,159
children i have a stepson

600
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,919
but my two girls have grown up with it

601
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,080
of course you know it's always been part

602
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,200
of their life

603
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,520
they're not interested in the subject

604
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:13,200
but they've always shown an interest in

605
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,679
what of

606
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,400
what i've been doing and what's next on

607
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:18,159
you know what's dad doing now oh that

608
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:18,880
looks great

609
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,919
my my youngest girl shona

610
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:24,480
um she's got a lot of my books you know

611
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,120
and

612
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,960
uh so she's got them on the bookshelf

613
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:28,159
i'm not saying she's never read them

614
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:28,960
martin

615
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:32,240
got them i hope you sign them for her

616
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,080
of course yes um yeah you know i

617
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,880
i my son's the same way my son is a real

618
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,400
deep thinker and thinks you know there

619
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:41,440
can be something

620
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,880
to this but uh he you know like he

621
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,240
he thinks there really is something

622
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:48,400
possibly to the ariel school incident

623
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,120
for one

624
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,600
yeah um but other than that he's you

625
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,960
know i would say

626
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,360
a healthy skeptic for the most part

627
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,280
thinking there's usually an answer

628
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,559
and there is usually an answer for

629
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,360
whatever it is but um like i'm sure

630
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:04,799
you've heard a million times

631
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,200
it only takes one you know real incident

632
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,240
to change everything we know well yes i

633
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,320
mean if it could only be proven

634
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,440
well uh we were talking about it before

635
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,720
we came on so we'll

636
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,559
if if you like we'll talk about

637
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:22,080
pascagoula sure

638
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,600
yeah for those that don't know

639
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,400
a few years back when i began my little

640
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,919
publishing

641
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,559
company called flying this press i

642
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:33,679
obtained the right

643
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,640
to republish charles hickson and william

644
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,240
mendes book

645
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:41,039
that came out in 1983 called ufo contact

646
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,240
at pascagoula

647
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,679
it was a case that had always been

648
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,919
fascinating but it again it was one of

649
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:47,520
those cases that disappeared off the

650
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,880
radar

651
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,039
so in the process of publishing or

652
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,799
republishing that book

653
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,640
i thought wouldn't it be nice if i could

654
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,880
find calvin parker

655
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,640
and get an interview with him i knew

656
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,880
charles hickson was passed away i didn't

657
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,360
know anything about william mendez

658
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,520
um but i thought i think calvin may

659
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:06,799
still be around

660
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:09,679
so i set off on a hunt to try and track

661
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,320
him down

662
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,520
i went to the you would think the right

663
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,840
places to begin with which was the ufo

664
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,440
groups that were that are around in

665
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,400
america

666
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,720
not going to mention any names but one

667
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,640
of them had a branch

668
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:25,039
in mississippi because that's where

669
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,480
pascagoula is i thought

670
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,559
i'll ask them not only did they not know

671
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,320
where calvin parker was

672
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,760
martin that i've never heard of the

673
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:34,000
pascagoula case wow

674
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,000
never heard of it i i was dumbstruck

675
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,640
so i put out a request and there was a

676
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:42,480
certain gentleman by the name of martin

677
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,360
willis

678
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,880
you that was responsible for putting me

679
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,360
in touch with calvin parker

680
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,360
well it's been my pleasure yeah well

681
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,200
when i spoke to calvin first he was

682
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:56,240
he was um you know very polite

683
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,240
um but didn't say an awful lot and

684
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:03,520
um unbeknown to me what had happened

685
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,559
prior to me contacting him was he

686
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,200
him and his wife had been to a funeral

687
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,720
friend's funeral

688
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,000
and i don't know if it was a book of

689
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,240
condolence or whatever martial he signed

690
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,400
something in the church

691
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,400
and he signed it calvin parker and of

692
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:20,000
course those coming behind him are sort

693
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:20,640
of going

694
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:24,480
you know wink wink nudge nudge you know

695
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,679
the guy who was abducted so

696
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,799
calvin thought this was a bit

697
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,120
disrespectful you know

698
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,760
a funeral anyway his wife wayne ed said

699
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,600
why don't you write a book

700
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:38,400
and then everybody will know your story

701
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:38,960
because

702
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,320
he never told it in full anywhere really

703
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,960
so he said yeah okay he just tried to

704
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,720
blockade his wife

705
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,640
but then of course i appeared on the

706
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,559
scene not not wanting a book just an

707
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:51,760
interview

708
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,559
and um it was at that point he's i think

709
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,440
again he said

710
00:25:59,410 --> 00:25:58,240
i'm thinking of writing a book so i said

711
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:59,420
well i may be all to help

712
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,640
[Music]

713
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:03,440
and uh he made some notes which he sent

714
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,480
me

715
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,880
and um i said well do you want to do it

716
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,600
and he you know

717
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,679
with me and wayne at he didn't really

718
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,000
have a choice in the end but

719
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:15,360
kind of long story short calvin wrote

720
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:19,520
um pascagoula the closest encounter

721
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,960
my story came out in 2018 and when it

722
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,159
went on to be an amazon

723
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:27,279
best seller which was great but what did

724
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:27,760
happen

725
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,120
martin as a result is that um

726
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:34,080
other people started to come forward

727
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:34,799
yeah

728
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:38,000
and they said well i saw something that

729
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,080
night and um i'll give you an example

730
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,640
wait uh uh phil can i just interrupt you

731
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,679
for a second

732
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:48,400
because i'm kind of we're kind of uh

733
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,520
going back to the

734
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,559
point where can we just do a nutshell of

735
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,840
the incident just

736
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,840
because as i mentioned there's a lot of

737
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:57,120
new people listening that

738
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,120
absolutely well in the 11th of october

739
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,080
1973

740
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,960
charles hickson who was 42 calvin parker

741
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:07,679
was 18 almost 19.

742
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,400
calvin had moved out there to get a job

743
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,919
in the shipyard working with his

744
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,200
father's friend

745
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,200
charles hickson it was engaged to be

746
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,960
married was calvin and they wanted a

747
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,919
steady job

748
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,840
so this is 200 miles from home it was

749
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,840
his first day on the job

750
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:24,480
working in the shipyard as a welder but

751
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:25,200
one thing

752
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,880
the two men did share was their love of

753
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,080
fishing

754
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,520
and of course they were right by the

755
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:33,600
pascagoula river so charlie says do you

756
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,000
want to go

757
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:37,039
fishing tonight yeah great grab some

758
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,240
gear

759
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,159
you know drive drive out and buy some

760
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:41,440
bait

761
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,120
and the driving to an old pier

762
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,679
because charlie knew the area and as

763
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,440
they move as they're driving in that

764
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:51,520
they pass a car that's parked up already

765
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,000
it's got a

766
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,799
you know a cartoon couple in it and a no

767
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,480
entry sign and calvin's

768
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,919
not happy with that but charlie says

769
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,520
don't worry about it you know i've come

770
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,200
here all the time

771
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,679
so they tried one spot and they just got

772
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,679
you know invaded by insects so they

773
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,159
moved to an old abandoned pier

774
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,799
and sat on that so you've just got the

775
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,559
water in front of you and all this stuff

776
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,360
behind you and the fish in a way

777
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,360
and you know calvin's in fishing mode

778
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,880
he's just thinking of the fish and he

779
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,320
sees a boat

780
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,760
and then there's a blue light behind

781
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:24,240
them calvin thinks i know we shouldn't

782
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,360
have ignored that no

783
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,320
no entry sign it's it's the police we're

784
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,399
going to spend the night in jail

785
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,960
of course when both men turned around it

786
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,320
wasn't the police

787
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:37,360
there was a a large rugby ball shaped

788
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,159
object

789
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,440
descending uh calvin's first

790
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,520
thought was to run back to his car

791
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,679
because i think he had a handgun in it

792
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,200
but he couldn't get past this thing and

793
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,520
there was only the water behind them

794
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:51,760
it was giving off this really intense

795
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,880
hazy blue light which hurt their eyes

796
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,720
it stopped just a couple of feet above

797
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:58,399
the ground there was two lights on one

798
00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:59,120
end

799
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:02,720
an opening appeared as if from nowhere

800
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,200
uh three humanoid creatures

801
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,360
again floated out they didn't touch the

802
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,440
floor they literally floated across the

803
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,200
ground towards them

804
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,520
calvin described them it's even now he

805
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,520
calls them the big uglies

806
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:20,399
they were humanoid but they had no neck

807
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,120
they had

808
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,960
carrot-like protrusions sticking out the

809
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:24,960
side and one out the front

810
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,440
their hands were like mittens or claws

811
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,919
their legs remained together all the

812
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,960
time and they were

813
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,480
wrinkled they were grey colored but they

814
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,520
were wrinkled like elephant skin

815
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,520
two grabbed hold of charlie one got

816
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,200
older calvin calvin was

817
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,080
petrified he was terrorized and then he

818
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:45,679
said he felt some kind of

819
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,200
prick in his arm and that relaxed him

820
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,640
cutting a long story short they were

821
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,480
both taken on board these things that

822
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,240
were separated

823
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,000
calvin said this thing descended from

824
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,840
the roof and went around him as if it

825
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,000
was taking pictures or x-rays or

826
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,360
whatever

827
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,840
and then if he felt they got over him

828
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,640
again

829
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,240
felt another prick in his arms and

830
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,679
calmed him down

831
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,559
and they were deposited back on the pier

832
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,360
um

833
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,399
and this thing was off gone

834
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:17,520
and they debated for quite some time

835
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,399
what to do

836
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,159
and calvin didn't want to tell anybody

837
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:22,080
he said they'll think we're nuts

838
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,840
yeah yeah that's that's what they look

839
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:25,120
like

840
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,720
and he was i mean he was terrified and i

841
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,200
mean i use that word correctly

842
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,080
so they jump in his car they take off

843
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,760
and then they have a change of heart or

844
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,120
rather charlie does

845
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:39,360
and persuades calvin to pull in a phone

846
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:40,240
box

847
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,960
nearby keystone air force base and they

848
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,760
say

849
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,640
we don't investigate ufos anymore ring

850
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,799
the police so they ring the police

851
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:53,039
and it's actually the sheriff who says

852
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,159
stay there

853
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,159
and we'll send a car outlet so a car

854
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:58,159
came out

855
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:01,519
and drove them into town escorted them

856
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,240
if you like

857
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,159
they were interviewed separately they

858
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,320
told the story however

859
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,240
calvin at that point had agreed with

860
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:09,679
charlie

861
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:14,320
they would claim that calvin had passed

862
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,960
out

863
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:17,360
so he couldn't remember anything right

864
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,000
yeah

865
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,080
so they were interviewed by the police

866
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,440
uh sorry by the sheriff

867
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,960
they were then put in a room together

868
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,399
and there was a desk next to them and

869
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,240
they were left alone

870
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,799
and unbeknown to them there was a tape

871
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,640
recorder playing in the desk

872
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,840
recording what they were saying and

873
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,840
after about 10 minutes the police come

874
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,960
and took this

875
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,559
tape again they weren't aware of what

876
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,080
they'd taken out of it

877
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,559
they played it back and of course they

878
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,919
thought we'll catch them now

879
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,279
but they weren't they were still

880
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:46,960
terrified

881
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,600
uh this is known as the secret tape the

882
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,760
calvin's praying almost at one point

883
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,120
said i've gotta get something for my

884
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,279
nerves what we're gonna do

885
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,679
so that so it was at that point the

886
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:00,000
sheriff began to believe them

887
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,000
you know and and they went home

888
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,000
they decided to go to work the next day

889
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,440
and try and put it all behind them

890
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,240
somehow the story got out and it hit the

891
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:12,080
headlines they were bombarded by the

892
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,360
media

893
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,200
cutting a long story short charlie did

894
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,640
take the front you know

895
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,559
he spoke to the journalists he went on

896
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,760
television

897
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,000
went to the ufo conferences calvin went

898
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,000
the opposite way he went back home

899
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:25,600
a few weeks later he ended up in

900
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,880
hospital with a breakdown he got married

901
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:30,880
and he tried to keep away from the

902
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,080
subject he occasionally popped up

903
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:37,519
but um he tried to you know not have any

904
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,559
involvement

905
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,640
and it was only when i i teamed up with

906
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,080
him in 2018

907
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,000
that he decided that now's the time to

908
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,519
tell everything

909
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:48,159
because not only that 20 years later he

910
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:49,840
had another encounter

911
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,880
while he was fishing on his own and

912
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,600
he him and his friend of his tracked

913
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,000
down the late bud hopkins

914
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,919
and puts calvin under aggressive

915
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:01,360
hypnosis

916
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,399
and um so you know we had we had that

917
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,399
information at hand

918
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,440
i also uncovered that um

919
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,840
charles hickson had also been hypnotized

920
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,039
by

921
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,399
bud hopkins twice really wow yeah

922
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,559
in two different years so we managed to

923
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:19,519
find those

924
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,519
tapes as well and um so kelvin did this

925
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:25,360
is a really interesting story calvin did

926
00:34:10,470 --> 00:33:25,600
a

927
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,480
the fishing industry

928
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,320
and was waiting for a boat to come in

929
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,000
and it was late

930
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,919
so he'd had a nap in the back of his car

931
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,560
and it wasn't in the best of moods

932
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:21,040
and then saw the blue light over the

933
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,000
opposite

934
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,359
bank of the river mrs blair said

935
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,839
it looked like it was lost or or as if

936
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:29,280
it was looking for something

937
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,800
it was kinda and mr blair saw it

938
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,960
and then his boat came in but by this

939
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,639
time it's dark so they're walking along

940
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,320
this little pier

941
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,399
and mrs blair said there was this huge

942
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,240
splash

943
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,040
in the water next to us and she says

944
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:46,960
when i look down

945
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,560
there's a grey man in the water

946
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,159
great that's what she called it that's

947
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,879
not my word she call it a gray man

948
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,680
wow in the water she said it went under

949
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,520
the water and was gone

950
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,280
she ran up to the boat threw her

951
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:03,920
husband's belongings on the boat

952
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,040
and turned around and ran back to the

953
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:08,640
car he was going out

954
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,680
fishing she to go back the way

955
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:14,400
so um and then of course the next day

956
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,200
she sees

957
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,079
charlie and calvin's story on on the tv

958
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,359
but mr blair

959
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:22,079
said we're not going to tell anybody

960
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:22,960
anything

961
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,200
at that point he'd only admitted

962
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,800
to seeing the blue lights so

963
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:33,040
you know we spoke to him we interviewed

964
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,920
them

965
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,160
some time passed and unfortunately mr

966
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,079
blair took ill

967
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:41,119
and he spoke to me and he said phillip

968
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,560
i've got i'm gonna tell you for the

969
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,119
first time and i've just told my wife

970
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:47,359
i too saw the humanoid that night that

971
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,040
was again his word was humanoid

972
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:53,280
excuse me he says i saw it come up out

973
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,400
of the water

974
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,320
go back across the river and i saw the

975
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,880
ufo take off

976
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,040
and a few sadly a few months later mr

977
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,280
blair passed away

978
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,440
but he wanted to tell us that i think he

979
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,040
you know he had it in the back of

980
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,720
his mind match and that his days might

981
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,280
be sadly numbered

982
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,320
and um mrs blair had always had she she

983
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,480
said to me right from the beginning

984
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,320
she said philip i've often wondered if

985
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:20,079
something similar didn't happen to me

986
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:20,640
and

987
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,760
more with that's just one

988
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:32,240
uh martin you know it's fascinating

989
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,040
again

990
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,200
another gentleman that night on the

991
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,359
other side of the river

992
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,720
is a chap called louis lee mr lee was

993
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,560
working in the shipyard as a crane

994
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:43,680
driver

995
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,200
and he said my cab in my crane was about

996
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,200
10 or 12 feet off the ground this is as

997
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,880
soon as i got in it

998
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,560
said i could see this thing out across

999
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,280
the river this blue diamond he called it

1000
00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:57,440
i can't i can't do a mississippi accent

1001
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,280
i'm sorry but

1002
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,320
[Laughter]

1003
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,040
he said it's the damnedest thing i've

1004
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,560
ever seen

1005
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,880
then he watched it for about 10 minutes

1006
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,720
and the only reason he took his eyes off

1007
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:10,480
it is because he had a load on his crane

1008
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,960
and his

1009
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,880
friend is shouting watch what you're

1010
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,480
doing you know yeah

1011
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,400
he dealt with his load on his crane and

1012
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,079
looked back and it was now gone

1013
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,200
so you know those are just two out of

1014
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,200
i would say a couple of dozen witnesses

1015
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:25,920
we've got from around that area

1016
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,119
either just before it happened or or

1017
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,119
just after

1018
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,599
so you know we've got sightings from all

1019
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:35,200
all around there

1020
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,720
and um what is interesting um i asked

1021
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,560
calvin if he got any documents

1022
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,200
or photographs or anything he said

1023
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:44,800
everything he had was lost

1024
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:48,480
in hurricane katrina his house was under

1025
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,240
10 12 feet of water so i contacted all

1026
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,720
the ufo groups and the center for ufo

1027
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:55,760
studies

1028
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,280
sent me a a pdf file

1029
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,240
it was all they had on the on the case

1030
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,400
most of it was newspaper cuttings

1031
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,680
however right in the middle of it is a

1032
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,359
one-page

1033
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,560
uh type written document and the reason

1034
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,320
i know it's type written and not written

1035
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,480
on a word processor is because

1036
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,240
the to type the date wrong and they've

1037
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:20,880
just gone back over and re-typed it

1038
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,599
so it was dated the 13th of october

1039
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:27,760
1973 and it's

1040
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:31,599
it's headlined puncture wounds

1041
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,119
oh yeah vibes yeah strives a physical

1042
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,560
examination of both

1043
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:39,520
charlie and calvin the only thing they

1044
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,480
didn't

1045
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,480
examine was their you know their private

1046
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:43,680
parts

1047
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,640
and that they found puncture wounds on

1048
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,079
both men

1049
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:50,320
now burning in mind calvin said he felt

1050
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:51,359
some kind of pin

1051
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,200
prick which calmed him down

1052
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,119
and we don't know who wrote that

1053
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:58,960
document there's no name on it

1054
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,800
um but um we have an idea but

1055
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,200
what we think it was but it's

1056
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:07,520
fascinating nonetheless martin

1057
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,599
and i'll give you another example

1058
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,520
a couple of weeks after the event just a

1059
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,000
bit further out in the same river

1060
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,200
there are two little boats fishing

1061
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:22,079
they're all friends and believe it or

1062
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:22,960
not

1063
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,040
they saw something under the water

1064
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,960
they said it looked like a parachute

1065
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,880
parachute shaped about 30 feet in

1066
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,359
diameter

1067
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,280
it was illuminated white although it

1068
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,280
looked it had a brownish tint to it but

1069
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,800
that was just the water making it

1070
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,800
brownish and not only that

1071
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,960
they got so close to it martin that they

1072
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:44,400
hit it with one of the

1073
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:48,960
paddles off the boat and it went clunk

1074
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,119
so they went and reported it in person

1075
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,320
to the coast guard and the coast guard

1076
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,240
sent a boat out and the coast guard saw

1077
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,320
it as well and the coast guard also hit

1078
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:01,680
it

1079
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,800
so we managed to obtain all the coast

1080
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:05,520
guard

1081
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:08,720
documents about this and then

1082
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,079
in a file i was also sent a photograph

1083
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,720
of all the witnesses all those fishermen

1084
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,480
it's a color photograph that all lined

1085
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,359
up

1086
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,040
and on the back of the photograph is

1087
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,520
their names and their age

1088
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,319
and so we recently put that photograph

1089
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,079
on social media

1090
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,480
yeah that's the puncture ones document

1091
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:30,079
yeah i really can't make it any larger

1092
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,200
than that unfortunately

1093
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,040
but sorry sorry to interrupt you all

1094
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,280
right so we put this photograph of these

1095
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:38,079
people who were fishing that night and

1096
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,960
within

1097
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,000
a couple of hours with people saying we

1098
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,760
know these people their deceased their

1099
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:45,680
deceased their deceased

1100
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,040
oh but i think he's still alive

1101
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,680
so there's about seven or eight of them

1102
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,839
and within no time i had a lady contact

1103
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,560
me and say

1104
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,960
yeah i'm related to that person he's

1105
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:58,960
still alive

1106
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,319
now um again the same day we had his

1107
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,000
telephone number passed to us

1108
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,319
and he was willing to speak to us and we

1109
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,240
have a colleague of mine by the name of

1110
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,440
dr irena scott oh yeah in the states

1111
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,920
irena spoke to him and interviewed him

1112
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,319
took a full statement from him

1113
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,400
and he was one of those fishermen that

1114
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,680
night with this thing

1115
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,520
with with one of the paddles off the

1116
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,720
boat and he went clunk

1117
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,359
and he says the next day you know the

1118
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,880
the navy were involved

1119
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,640
and he said i took them out to where the

1120
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,760
incident was but he couldn't see

1121
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:31,359
anything it was just water

1122
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:35,440
um so things happened afterwards as well

1123
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,960
martin which is i i find fascinating

1124
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,520
and and it's we've got an amazing

1125
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,599
statement from him we really did

1126
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:46,160
you know where they were this location

1127
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,839
is not out in the middle of nowhere

1128
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,920
that's what we should emphasize

1129
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,400
so we we thought we might find other

1130
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,079
witnesses because of where it happened

1131
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,560
this is not roswell out in the desert

1132
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,319
you know this is right next people still

1133
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,160
go fishing at the same spot

1134
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,839
it's just that the pier's not there

1135
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,440
anymore and over the

1136
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:06,079
river it goes highway 90 huge great road

1137
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,200
bridge

1138
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,119
so some people criticize the case we'll

1139
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,800
say why did some of the drivers on the

1140
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:11,599
bridge see it

1141
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:14,880
well they did because we spoke to one

1142
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,880
and we and again irena interviewed him

1143
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,400
and he was in the car with his wife

1144
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,920
driving across the bridge

1145
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,079
and he said do it he said i thought it

1146
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:26,000
was a an aircraft of some description

1147
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,440
that was going to crash

1148
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,160
there was this blue light down below us

1149
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,319
right where charlie and kelvin were

1150
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,000
and he said i watched it for about 30

1151
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,480
seconds my wife didn't see it because

1152
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,960
she was sat on the other side of the car

1153
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,280
she couldn't see it from where she was

1154
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,040
but what was interesting

1155
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,000
this gentleman said the next day i drove

1156
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,760
i think it was his aunt it's that drove

1157
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,200
down to my house

1158
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:52,000
who lived down by the river i didn't see

1159
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,880
anything

1160
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,720
and before i had a chance to speak to

1161
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,560
her she says you'll never know

1162
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,040
you'll never guess what i saw last night

1163
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,200
she's in the same thing

1164
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:04,240
yeah uh and that those are just a few of

1165
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,800
the many

1166
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,200
examples we've got so a lot of these

1167
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,599
were in calvin's follow-up book

1168
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,520
which is called pascagoula the story

1169
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,960
continues but that that

1170
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,640
you know but we've we've interviewed

1171
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,119
more since that book was published

1172
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,839
and it's all down to you martin because

1173
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,359
it was you that put me in touch with

1174
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:22,880
calvin parker

1175
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,560
uh and i can't thank you enough well

1176
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,800
thank you i'm so glad it worked out the

1177
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,000
way it did and

1178
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,599
it's uh i'll just tell a little

1179
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,359
backstory to that is

1180
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:36,079
um i had a blogger at the time michael

1181
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,359
lauc was his name

1182
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,280
and he wrote up he wrote a story about

1183
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,359
the pascagoula incident

1184
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,920
and uh he he tried he was always very

1185
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:44,960
thorough and did

1186
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,000
nice work so i got this email one day

1187
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,960
and it said that's a very accurate and

1188
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,319
nicely written blog

1189
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,599
about that incident and then i saw him

1190
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,160
sign it calvin parker

1191
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,520
so i wrote him back and said wait a

1192
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,920
minute uh and you know his email says

1193
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:02,800
fishing you know

1194
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,599
he still loves to fish so uh i wrote him

1195
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,040
back and i said

1196
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,359
so is this the calvin parker if so would

1197
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:10,800
you be up for an interview

1198
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,599
and so i had interviewed him uh he

1199
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,119
hadn't been interviewed for years and

1200
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,040
years and years and uh

1201
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:19,359
i felt really honored uh to interview

1202
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,480
him he's such a gentleman

1203
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,960
and uh he's a lot of people think

1204
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:25,599
because he's southern has a southern

1205
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,520
accent you know maybe he's not uh

1206
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,680
i'm not saying this but i've had people

1207
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:33,200
just assume that maybe he's not all that

1208
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,160
bright or whatever

1209
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,280
the guy is sharp and he's had a major

1210
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:39,119
construction company he's done all kinds

1211
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:40,319
of amazing things

1212
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,680
he's a real sharp guy um and and what a

1213
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,640
gentleman

1214
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,200
um he's just such a nice man absolutely

1215
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,640
i mean calvin and i and

1216
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,520
his wife went we've become friends and

1217
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,480
um

1218
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,960
like you say he didn't have any great

1219
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:56,880
formal education

1220
00:45:01,190 --> 00:45:00,000
um calvin will admittedly say he was the

1221
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,200
bronze

1222
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,280
and his brother was the brains if

1223
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,960
anybody picked on his brother they had

1224
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,800
calvin to deal with

1225
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,839
but but he was nonetheless not stupid he

1226
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:10,880
just didn't like

1227
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,640
school and so he was he's a

1228
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,400
self-educated man he can do calculus

1229
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:19,599
you know he's so he is he is a clever

1230
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,160
guy

1231
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,079
but just not doesn't have a formal

1232
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,400
education so there is a difference

1233
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,720
and um sadly his brother is no longer

1234
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:27,599
with us

1235
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,560
um but you know calvin's reader led a

1236
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:33,440
fascinating life in in some respects

1237
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:36,640
and and we can't what i can say is that

1238
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:40,160
um just by chance we we were contacted

1239
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,480
by

1240
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,880
a um a tv and film producer in

1241
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:44,640
california

1242
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:48,560
and um he's he's uh it's no secret he's

1243
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,480
he's um he's done a contract with calvin

1244
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,280
not with me it's with calvin and and has

1245
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,040
written a screenplay

1246
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,000
uh it's finished but and i have i've

1247
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,920
been allowed to read it and it is very

1248
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,920
very accurate i can assure you martin

1249
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,560
and it is a fascinating story

1250
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,599
and um it's is he's just sort of

1251
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,800
tweaking it a little bit at the moment

1252
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,200
so hopefully at some point you know we

1253
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:17,280
may see either on the big screen or the

1254
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,760
other

1255
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,880
or the small screen and um calvin

1256
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,599
the the the the most important point is

1257
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,800
that calvin

1258
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,200
likes it yeah he's giving it the green

1259
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,000
light

1260
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,240
yeah that's good because he's told me

1261
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,480
before when i asked him that question

1262
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:35,200
he said that he will bow out of anything

1263
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,240
you know if someone tries to

1264
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,599
sensationalize

1265
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,599
yeah um you know he's not interested in

1266
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,920
that and he's not interested in money

1267
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,200
either that's not anything that

1268
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,960
motivates

1269
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,880
when we wrote the book calvin said i

1270
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,400
thought we'd sell about 10

1271
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,520
copies but of course the first one went

1272
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,440
on to be an amazon best seller and the

1273
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:55,440
second one did okay as well

1274
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,200
um so there's nothing wrong with that

1275
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,880
but certainly it wasn't anything we

1276
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,720
expected to happen

1277
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,560
yeah and we just wanted to tell his

1278
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,800
story and that's how we remain

1279
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:08,560
uh and i was i was thinking about

1280
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:09,839
putting

1281
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,280
that story and introducing ufos but

1282
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,760
i got so close to it and i got so much

1283
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,440
information i thought i can't really do

1284
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:19,920
it justice in just three or four pages

1285
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,760
sure i purposely you know left it out

1286
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,760
yeah that one is so complicated because

1287
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,520
of the beings and

1288
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,000
all and the the floating and you know

1289
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,760
the examination and oh

1290
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:34,160
god that is just such a complicated case

1291
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,880
but you know

1292
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,960
we are right near the end of our our

1293
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,559
time i i do want to say

1294
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,559
this a lot of times people have

1295
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,079
contacted me and i talked to you

1296
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,880
about this uh off here and they'll say

1297
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:46,240
you know why do you talk about the old

1298
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,040
cases

1299
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,440
well here's a really good example yeah

1300
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,160
why

1301
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,480
when you talk about the old cases all of

1302
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:53,920
a sudden you find

1303
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,800
new information new witnesses that are

1304
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,640
finally at this time in their life

1305
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,160
feeling comfortable about coming out

1306
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,839
about it so yeah

1307
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,240
i think it's a great service you've done

1308
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,599
i've tried to put other people in your

1309
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,200
hands because of this wonderful job

1310
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,040
you've done with uh calvin

1311
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,200
and uh i don't know if any has worked

1312
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,640
out but uh at least

1313
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,800
uh you did a wonderful job with calvin

1314
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,040
and uh you know i'm convinced

1315
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,040
if we had all these witnesses take their

1316
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,880
testimony to court

1317
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,559
martial we could prove that something

1318
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,920
happened that night i'm not saying we'd

1319
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:25,920
prove it was abducted by aliens

1320
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,640
but we could prove our case that's

1321
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,480
that's why it's important to

1322
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:33,200
to keep an eye on these old cases that's

1323
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,599
right

1324
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,960
been

1325
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,760
wonderful thank you so much well it's my

1326
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,280
pleasure martin and uh

1327
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,520
please give my regards to dr clark we're

1328
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,640
old friends

1329
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,960
i will i'll tell them what you said too

1330
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,440
just please deal with it

1331
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,680
yeah all right you take care all right

1332
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,200
good night god bless martin

1333
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,000
all right bye now all right everyone so

1334
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,520
if you're on youtube now

1335
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,680
just uh all you have to do is skip over

1336
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:01,520
to the other stream which is

1337
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,880
with david clark coming up in

1338
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:07,680
about 10 minutes from now so thank you

1339
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:08,480
so much

1340
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:11,970
and that is it for this segment of the

1341
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:14,839
[Music]

1342
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:15,950
show